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Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 106 Location: Sheffield, UK

Nice site here with some pdfs relating to armour and weapons. Won't tell you the best weapon for you, but it allows you to do some comparisons. PLus some nice summaries of spawns and gametypes.

http://www.ick.bz/weapons-lists.html

I'm settling on MP9 or MP7 for SMGs - with the UMP, doing some reading and looking at these lists, it is 'supposed' to be the best gun in the game, but it doesn't seem to work that well for me, I dunno why, Morangie destroys with it.

And I'm currently loving the SCAR as an assault rifle on larger maps. But I'm planning to give the FAMAS some playing time as a lot of people seem to think it's the best AR for accuracy up close on full auto (i've found that the main prob with other ARs like the G3KA4 and MTAR).

Now we've been playing this for a fair while, I'd be interested to hear what some of the R6 vets (andz, p5yc, morangie, a_of_t) opinions are on this game in comparison to the older games (R63, R6 BA). Personally, I'm absolutely loving it on MP, for me shades it as a better multi-player game than GoW. Gears SP is still the best on the 360 imo though.

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 129

Compared to Lockdown its 1000 times better, compared to BA its good (if not better). However I dislike the levelling up system as i find it frustrating I can't use all the weapons right away. Its an attempt to expand the longevity of a game that I don't see knocking GoW or H2 off its perch without some serious play (unless you do ranked which is as full of cheaters as H2).

As far as armour goes, its a nice touch but i find that people are a little harder to kill in this compared to BA, but it is an improvement in some respects. THe CoD2/GoW health system is good (plus amazing visual effects when you get hit - black screen FTW)

Guns, all of the AR's are fine really, only dislike is the AUG which is a shame as I loved it in Black Arrow, but now its poo unless you're close. its good all guns are balanced, yet people tend for fav's (Morangie UMP, Legend Tar, me FAMAS/G3KA4).

COver system is good yet not as essential as i imagined it would be compared to how extensive it is used in SP.

RETRIVAL FTW!!!!111!

Well, I'm loving Vegas although I can't really say if its better than RB6 3 as I played SO much of that.

In terms of weapons, the UMP was my favourite (although I like to pic 'n mix) however the recent patch seems (thankfully) to have nurfed it a bit. I'm now using mostly MP9 and M8 (single shot) due to their high damage and accuracy - the other night when playing steve and co I got tons of super fast kills with one shot to the head with the M8 and just half a second burst of the MP9.

However as Andz said, each person has their own favourite weapon - as it always has been in rainbow 6, ghost recon and most tactical shooters.

Personally, I like the ranking system and don't mind that weapons are locked. I really like the customisation stuff - it adds a lot I feel.

I have to disagree with Andz on the cover stuff, I find cover to be very important but only when used properly. If you stand out from cover and fire constantly there is no point to it. However quickly jumping out, firing one shot and jumping back in behind cover gives you a MASSIVE advantage.

Overall I'm loving Vegas, more than Gears, but then you can do terrorist hunt and mission co-op Very Happy

Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 21

The MP9 is the best mid to close range SMG, the UMP is better at longer ranges thanks to it's 2-shot ability.

Among Assault class weapons i prefer the FAMAS, G3KA4 and recently the M8.

As for how Vegas compares to BA, it is better than anything in BA. BA lacked the tension you feel when trying to sneak up on an enemy position. Also Vegas restricts multiple copies of the same weapons (Grenades, C4). Not much tension if you can throw a frag into every dark corner is there?

Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 14 Location: UK

Be very careful if you're playing the single player on realistic. Theres a LOVELY bug that resets the difficulty back to normal with no mention of it if you turn off the 360 and resume your game later on. Thats six wasted hours I'll never get back because Ubisoft couldn't be bothered testing their game before releasing it. Mad

Edit: it happens if you've played through on normal first so you should be ok A of T.

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 129

I find it frustrating I can't take 6 frags!!!!

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 0 Location: UK

I've been taking a different approach to everyone else. I have my favourite rifles, but I have found that you need to rotate what one you are using for a particular match and when you are comfortable choose a different scope/gadget for the task at hand.

For example; on streets last night I tried the UMP45. Dead within a minute. Switched to a G36C with a reflex scope. Cue to two games where I got 80-100% of the kills (it was on a 3 game rotation, but it would be good to experiment with this further). Also don't forget the laser sight. People say its crap, but at close-ish quarters on an AR it can be deadly as long as you are aiming for the head that is, even on full auto.

The real trick is to experiment. Try different guns, try different gadgets and different explosives. Some people like to have different fire modes (single shot, burst etc), and for some that makes a huge difference. I prefer full auto, but I feel that you can develop discipline its more flexible. Try to play differently too, to try and figure out when its time to rush or time to run away. That's the key, even more so now with the cover system.

RB6V is like an old friend who has been away doing some soul searching. Its back and it wants to share its new found tricks. I for one am loving this game... now all I want are a few of the old RB63/RB63BA maps to get released!

Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 21

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 129

A of T is right. Nades are more for clearing rooms/scaring people off/when you can't see.

Throwing nades around corners forces enemies back, otherwise you get pinned far too much!

Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 245

Just ordered my copy of vegas.

Hopefully if gameplay work on boxing day it should be here on the 27th Confused

Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 21

I think Vegas is the first Clancy game you've liked Boot.

Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 245

7ruth. And btw gow really didn't impress me.

'nother wiipost Smile

Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 245

so as soon as i get the game everyone stops playing it then? Sad

I think i've played with 4 people i know since i get when previously i saw around 8 people on at a time.

Pshyce dosn't count. I got kicked out of his party by his new clan, [DIE] Evil or Very Mad

Anyway, heres my thoughts.

I'm not one for experimenting with weapons so most of the time i just stick with the good ol' mp5. Been doing fine kills wise with it, very good for 3v3 to 5v5. Anything higher i am sometimes tempted to get the spawn of satan himself. The rapid fire shotgun. Works brill on calypso casino in the back rooms of the vault.
Also sniper rifles, i feel, are terrible. Trying to get the 10 kill achievement the other day and in a 16 min match i got 4 kills againts 15 deaths, but we still won so i hasnt too bothered about my terrible score.

Frags are ok, but its the incendiary you want. Explodes almost as soon as it hits the ground, because of that it is often restricted by hosts though.

For campaign i am also doing it on realistic, had to click the reload checkpoint button a few hundred times, but its been... realistic. Wink

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 0 Location: UK